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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
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		<description>Clearly you have a great deal more knowledge than I do although I have read very widely in ancient history.  I will say that I have never run across any drawing, painting, frieze, or other representation that would illustrate human sacrifice in either Sumeria or Egypt.  However, Agamemnon did sacrifice Iphigenia(sp) and there are friezes showing the execution of war prisoners so I guess human sacrifice is POSSIBLE, but I tend to side with you that even it there were examples it was not a widespread or common practice.  From my readings the various governments in Mesopotamia were very enlightened, very prosperous, and well governed.  The Persian Empire under Darius and Xerxes was huge and very well governed and arguably more civilized than Greece. 

Well -- if we are talking Onager&#039;s in general, then yes very possibly they were either not used at all due to their intractablility or were only used briefly.  Oxen are undoubtedly stronger and more placid so if you were a farmer they would be more practical.  However, using oxen to pull the royal conveyance would probably not give the &quot;class&quot; associated for royalty so indeed they might have been used for limited things.  But I am really out of my element here.

As you know I am very skeptical about academics and their claims.  I am reminded of MacCauley&#039;s book &quot;The Motel of the Mysteries&quot;.  If you haven&#039;t read this I highly recommend it and when I hear some archaeologist make some suspcious claim -- like human sacrifice -- I am reminded of this book.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you have a great deal more knowledge than I do although I have read very widely in ancient history.  I will say that I have never run across any drawing, painting, frieze, or other representation that would illustrate human sacrifice in either Sumeria or Egypt.  However, Agamemnon did sacrifice Iphigenia(sp) and there are friezes showing the execution of war prisoners so I guess human sacrifice is POSSIBLE, but I tend to side with you that even it there were examples it was not a widespread or common practice.  From my readings the various governments in Mesopotamia were very enlightened, very prosperous, and well governed.  The Persian Empire under Darius and Xerxes was huge and very well governed and arguably more civilized than Greece. </p>
<p>Well &#8212; if we are talking Onager&#8217;s in general, then yes very possibly they were either not used at all due to their intractablility or were only used briefly.  Oxen are undoubtedly stronger and more placid so if you were a farmer they would be more practical.  However, using oxen to pull the royal conveyance would probably not give the &#8220;class&#8221; associated for royalty so indeed they might have been used for limited things.  But I am really out of my element here.</p>
<p>As you know I am very skeptical about academics and their claims.  I am reminded of MacCauley&#8217;s book &#8220;The Motel of the Mysteries&#8221;.  If you haven&#8217;t read this I highly recommend it and when I hear some archaeologist make some suspcious claim &#8212; like human sacrifice &#8212; I am reminded of this book.<br />
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		<title>By: Pam Kellman Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam Kellman Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Royce.  I&#039;m not saying that oxen were used to pull war chariots; this was not the question I was trying to address in my post and, frankly, I don&#039;t really know what was used, but I will check the sources I have in-house and report back to you what I find.  I&#039;ve read that horses were used at the time of Sargon the Great, which was mid-3rd millennium, and of course the Elamites, to the east of Sumer, rode camels, as did the Eblaites and other cultures involved in the caravan trade.  I think the Sumerians were pretty sedentary; they fed the world but depended on outside distributors.  One doesn&#039;t find a lot of maps among the cuneiform records, at least not maps of territories outside of Mesopotamia.   In addition, there are at least three, if not four, classifications of onager, and one was certainly domesticated, so that might have been the type hitched to war chariots.  

Also, the &#039;wild ass&#039; Hilzheimer was referring to was, he wrote, actually a feral onager, and I should correct my original post to say that this is not the ass that went extinct in the 1920s.  There was another wild ass which is always sharply distinguished from the others.  It looked exactly like a miniature Arabian horse and was extremely fast, and some scholars have even speculated that the Arabian breed was developed from it.  (My sources are limited to English-language texts, and there might be a lot more data about all this in Arabic.)  

Initially, I thought that this was the wild ass Woolley had referred to but, according to Hilzheimer, it was the feral ass that he specifically claimed was buried in Queen Shubad&#039;s tomb.  In either case, he was working from an assumption and should not have reported this as fact.  Nor should Moorey have brushed aside the entire issue of fabrication in scholarship, especially in regard to Woolley, whose work had long-lasting negative social consequences, as Moorey well knew.  Woolley&#039;s dig at Ur is still used for anti-Semitic purposes, to assert that human sacrifice was practiced by early Semitic cultures, of which there has never been any proof whatsoever.  Moorey would disagree with this, I&#039;m sure, as, after he finished his rewrite of Ur, he went on to do a similar job with the excavation of Kish, another early Semitic city-state, and claimed that evidence of human sacrifice had been found there as well.  

I should add, in defense of Woolley, that he was not entirely responsible for the exploitation of his work by bigots.   Max Mallowan, who began his  career as Woolley&#039;s assistant at Ur, called attention to the fact that Woolley had published very detailed journal articles about this excavation immediately after every season.  In addition, Woolley had finalized his excavation report of Ur within just a few years of the completion of the dig, but its publication was delayed for decades.  No explanation has ever been put forth to justify the withholding of this material - I believe, in fact, that it was withheld until after Woolley died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Royce.  I&#8217;m not saying that oxen were used to pull war chariots; this was not the question I was trying to address in my post and, frankly, I don&#8217;t really know what was used, but I will check the sources I have in-house and report back to you what I find.  I&#8217;ve read that horses were used at the time of Sargon the Great, which was mid-3rd millennium, and of course the Elamites, to the east of Sumer, rode camels, as did the Eblaites and other cultures involved in the caravan trade.  I think the Sumerians were pretty sedentary; they fed the world but depended on outside distributors.  One doesn&#8217;t find a lot of maps among the cuneiform records, at least not maps of territories outside of Mesopotamia.   In addition, there are at least three, if not four, classifications of onager, and one was certainly domesticated, so that might have been the type hitched to war chariots.  </p>
<p>Also, the &#8216;wild ass&#8217; Hilzheimer was referring to was, he wrote, actually a feral onager, and I should correct my original post to say that this is not the ass that went extinct in the 1920s.  There was another wild ass which is always sharply distinguished from the others.  It looked exactly like a miniature Arabian horse and was extremely fast, and some scholars have even speculated that the Arabian breed was developed from it.  (My sources are limited to English-language texts, and there might be a lot more data about all this in Arabic.)  </p>
<p>Initially, I thought that this was the wild ass Woolley had referred to but, according to Hilzheimer, it was the feral ass that he specifically claimed was buried in Queen Shubad&#8217;s tomb.  In either case, he was working from an assumption and should not have reported this as fact.  Nor should Moorey have brushed aside the entire issue of fabrication in scholarship, especially in regard to Woolley, whose work had long-lasting negative social consequences, as Moorey well knew.  Woolley&#8217;s dig at Ur is still used for anti-Semitic purposes, to assert that human sacrifice was practiced by early Semitic cultures, of which there has never been any proof whatsoever.  Moorey would disagree with this, I&#8217;m sure, as, after he finished his rewrite of Ur, he went on to do a similar job with the excavation of Kish, another early Semitic city-state, and claimed that evidence of human sacrifice had been found there as well.  </p>
<p>I should add, in defense of Woolley, that he was not entirely responsible for the exploitation of his work by bigots.   Max Mallowan, who began his  career as Woolley&#8217;s assistant at Ur, called attention to the fact that Woolley had published very detailed journal articles about this excavation immediately after every season.  In addition, Woolley had finalized his excavation report of Ur within just a few years of the completion of the dig, but its publication was delayed for decades.  No explanation has ever been put forth to justify the withholding of this material &#8211; I believe, in fact, that it was withheld until after Woolley died.</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 20:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far be it from me to enter this dispute because I have absolutely no knowledge one way or another.  I subscribed to Prof. Fagan&#039;s class by DVD so there is no personal interaction -- just the lectures.  However an Onager is a Wild Ass and a member of the horse family, so it seems logical to me that such an animal would have been pressed into service.  From a military perspective an OX simply isn&#039;t logical as an animal suitable for pulling a war chariot.  I would submit that the Onager fell out of favor in favor of the horse which is more tractable and faster.  The Egyptians used horses to pull their chariots and I THINK the horse was introduced to them by the Hittites or Sumerians, but I am uncertain about this.  I have no basis to doubt that oxen were used other than my gut reaction that I would never select an ox to pull a war chariot.  However, the first chariots were four wheeled so maybe oxen could have been used because a foru wheeled chariot isn&#039;t exactly really manueverable either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far be it from me to enter this dispute because I have absolutely no knowledge one way or another.  I subscribed to Prof. Fagan&#8217;s class by DVD so there is no personal interaction &#8212; just the lectures.  However an Onager is a Wild Ass and a member of the horse family, so it seems logical to me that such an animal would have been pressed into service.  From a military perspective an OX simply isn&#8217;t logical as an animal suitable for pulling a war chariot.  I would submit that the Onager fell out of favor in favor of the horse which is more tractable and faster.  The Egyptians used horses to pull their chariots and I THINK the horse was introduced to them by the Hittites or Sumerians, but I am uncertain about this.  I have no basis to doubt that oxen were used other than my gut reaction that I would never select an ox to pull a war chariot.  However, the first chariots were four wheeled so maybe oxen could have been used because a foru wheeled chariot isn&#8217;t exactly really manueverable either.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Kellman Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam Kellman Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Royce.  You might want to ask Professor Fagan which sources he&#039;s using (please let me know if you do).  

In addition to Dyson, there was an interesting article published in 1941 about this issue; see Max Hilzheimer, Animal Remains of Tell Asmar, in Studies in Ancient Oriental Civilization No. 20, University of Chicago Press.  Prof. Hilzheimer wrote that, on the basis of Woolley&#039;s original assessment that the chariot found among the grave goods in Queen Shu-bad&#039;s tomb at Ur was drawn by asinus onager, &quot;We should then have to give the ancient Sumerians full credit for the taming of Equus onager and its use as a draft animal for war chariots, an accomplishment all that more characteristic of ancient Sumerian culture because, so far as we know, the onager has nowhere since been tamed on an extensive scale...In any event the taming of the onager remained restricted to the Sumerian culture.  The later culture apparently knew it no more.  It must therefore have been abandoned in Akkadian times.&quot;  

In other words, it is clear that, even prior to Dyson, Hilzheimer also doubted Woolley&#039;s assessment, because it would not make sense that, once accomplished, the taming of this animal would have been abandoned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Royce.  You might want to ask Professor Fagan which sources he&#8217;s using (please let me know if you do).  </p>
<p>In addition to Dyson, there was an interesting article published in 1941 about this issue; see Max Hilzheimer, Animal Remains of Tell Asmar, in Studies in Ancient Oriental Civilization No. 20, University of Chicago Press.  Prof. Hilzheimer wrote that, on the basis of Woolley&#8217;s original assessment that the chariot found among the grave goods in Queen Shu-bad&#8217;s tomb at Ur was drawn by asinus onager, &#8220;We should then have to give the ancient Sumerians full credit for the taming of Equus onager and its use as a draft animal for war chariots, an accomplishment all that more characteristic of ancient Sumerian culture because, so far as we know, the onager has nowhere since been tamed on an extensive scale&#8230;In any event the taming of the onager remained restricted to the Sumerian culture.  The later culture apparently knew it no more.  It must therefore have been abandoned in Akkadian times.&#8221;  </p>
<p>In other words, it is clear that, even prior to Dyson, Hilzheimer also doubted Woolley&#8217;s assessment, because it would not make sense that, once accomplished, the taming of this animal would have been abandoned.</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.  While I am more familiar with Egyptian History I have at least a superficial knowledge of Sumerian History.  I was fascinated by the reference to the use of oxen and not asses to pull chariots.   I have just completed &quot;Great Battles of the Ancient World&quot; a class conducted by Professor Garret Fagan at Penn State.  In his lectures on Sumeria he states that the war chariots were pulled by asses and not by horses.  From a military perspective this is more logical than having war chariots pulled by oxen which are not noted for their speed or nimbleness.  Nevertheless, your main point that academics are becoming less and less diligent and accurate is a point well made.  Stephen Ambrose admitted before he died that he taught a very distorted view of American History because that is what he was taught and he &quot;regretted it&quot;.  I have less and less respect for academics and no longer accept anything that they say without some supporting proof.  Science has become statistics and as an engineer who has dealt with numbers my whole life I don&#039;t trust statistics as a basis for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.  While I am more familiar with Egyptian History I have at least a superficial knowledge of Sumerian History.  I was fascinated by the reference to the use of oxen and not asses to pull chariots.   I have just completed &#8220;Great Battles of the Ancient World&#8221; a class conducted by Professor Garret Fagan at Penn State.  In his lectures on Sumeria he states that the war chariots were pulled by asses and not by horses.  From a military perspective this is more logical than having war chariots pulled by oxen which are not noted for their speed or nimbleness.  Nevertheless, your main point that academics are becoming less and less diligent and accurate is a point well made.  Stephen Ambrose admitted before he died that he taught a very distorted view of American History because that is what he was taught and he &#8220;regretted it&#8221;.  I have less and less respect for academics and no longer accept anything that they say without some supporting proof.  Science has become statistics and as an engineer who has dealt with numbers my whole life I don&#8217;t trust statistics as a basis for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Iraq &#187; The Problem of Academic Writing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iraq &#187; The Problem of Academic Writing</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Academic Hate Crimes wrote an interesting post today on The Problem of Academic WritingHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt &#8230; nagers’, Iraq 22, “Ur In Retrospect”, 1960&#8230;.“There are few archaeological excavations which have had such an abiding interest for the general public as those at Ur in modern Iraq directed by Sir Leonard W oolley between 1922 and 1934…&#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Academic Hate Crimes wrote an interesting post today on The Problem of Academic WritingHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt &#8230; nagers’, Iraq 22, “Ur In Retrospect”, 1960&#8230;.“There are few archaeological excavations which have had such an abiding interest for the general public as those at Ur in modern Iraq directed by Sir Leonard W oolley between 1922 and 1934…&#8230;. [...]</p>
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